dougs
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| 03 Jul 2017 06:18 PM |
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Agreed Fleece, great to see the rajah in the in the "flesh" so to speak.
Don't see a lot of these around.
Thanks to Deegee for bringing that and his other minty signs.
Always good to hook up with the gang and have a blah.
Same again next year chaps.
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banjo boy
The Tatfather
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| 03 Jul 2017 07:59 PM |
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Some Top class enamels there on show..Not seen that Small GWR sign before,,very nice..Also love the 2 small 5boys signs,slight difference in both with wording and fixing holes..Pleasure to see.. |
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Deegee
Mad Keen Collector
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| 03 Jul 2017 09:46 PM |
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Well spotted Banjo Boy! I hadn't noticed the differences in the 5 Boy despite looking at them quite closely. I now need to see if I can work out whether the "Makers to HRH Prince of Wales" or "Makers to HM Queen Alexandra" means a different date and which is the earlier. Anyone have any thoughts? |
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Craig001
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| 03 Jul 2017 10:09 PM |
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Queen Alexandra was the earlier - she died in 1925 and Edward HRH Prince of Wales didn't take the hot seat until 1936 (and gave it up the same year) - I think !!! |
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Lummox
The Tatfather
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| 04 Jul 2017 06:58 AM |
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Makers to the PRINCE OF WALES is probably Earlier !!...... Edward VII became King in 1901on the death of Victoria his mother and was crowned in 1902 the year I think 5 boys started. Although they could be virtually the same date. Edward had been the Prince of Wales so long due to Victorias reign that he was often still called that even when King
Edward reigned 1901 - 1910 , His coronation was not until later in 1902. so it might well be the Edward sign was made in early 1902 before his coronation as King
I think Craig is thinking of the later version " Maker to Mrs Simpson " !
cheers lummox |
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batleycarr1
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| 04 Jul 2017 10:00 AM |
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It was another memorable Summernational, marvellous signs to be seen and friendly collectors and dealers to talk to - thanks to all and to Alan for his hospitality!
Cheers Richard |
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oor wullie
Tatter
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| 04 Jul 2017 11:04 AM |
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Great weekend..worth the 4hr journey even just to see the Rajah,Hudsons Balloon and Matchless in the flesh . |
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cherryboy
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| 04 Jul 2017 12:40 PM |
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I think that Rajah sign used to be mine, its had some repairs to the corners but still a nice sign |
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Deegee
Mad Keen Collector
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| 04 Jul 2017 05:56 PM |
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Well Ross, you are correct that Queen Alexandra died 1925, so that that version would have to be 1910 to 1925 - when she was 'Queen Mother', I guess. However, throughout this same period, and up to 1936, Edward was Prince of Wales. So the version mentioning him could be anywhere between 1910 and 1936 (although not sure when they stopped making this style sign). So maybe Fry's produced both at the same time? Or maybe they only produced the Prince of Wales version after Alexandra died. |
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Craig001
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| 04 Jul 2017 08:49 PM |
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I'm agreeing with Deegee !! |
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Arkwrights
Mad Keen Collector
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| 04 Jul 2017 09:27 PM |
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 Showcard from c1902
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fingerplate
Mad Keen Collector
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| 04 Jul 2017 09:31 PM |
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very nice nigel any more to show |
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Alan Blakeman
Guru Tat
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| 05 Jul 2017 09:53 AM |
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Glad to set it up, but gutted me & Clare balmily arranged our "30 minutes out of the office" from 2pm!!!!
Have a few ideas for next year if we continue…………………. |
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Lummox
The Tatfather
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| 05 Jul 2017 11:49 PM |
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Hi Deegee
Once Edward VII died she would NOT be known as the Queen ! Mary was the Queen, it would be a direct insult to the Monarchy and just would not happen because of the constitution. If so it would have been maker to the Queen Mother. I still think new product new sign circa 1901 / 02. Still a good debate !
cheers lummox |
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Deegee
Mad Keen Collector
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| 06 Jul 2017 02:14 PM |
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You could be right - I'm not that up on royal etiquette. HOWEVER, to the left it says "Maker to TM King & Queen"(This must be Edward VII and Alexandra - couldn't be Victoria as there was no king then). So, given the "Queen" here is Alexandra why mention her again on the right in the separate dedication? Makes no sense to me. I am inclined to think that Alexandra was still referred to as 'Queen Alexandra' as a sign of respect after the death of Edward VII during George V's reign. |
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