PhoneGuy
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| 30 Jun 2020 08:55 AM |
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Hi Guys
I’m still trying to learn from the experts here - the fakes from the real deals, especially when it comes to ‘Cadbury’s’ signs.
Take these two Cadbury’s signs (they are both from ebay) Are they the real deals or are they fakes? If real deals, what year would these signs be – my guess is 1930s-40s?
Their prices seem to indicate real deal, but is this always a surefire indicator.
Cheers
No 1 Sold for £650
No 2 Currently at £500
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Jimbo
Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Jun 2020 09:14 AM |
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My hunch (and it is only a hunch) is that the second one isn't right. The splashes on the back look too new and why have a yellow when there is no yellow on the front? |
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banjo boy
The Tatfather
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| 30 Jun 2020 09:35 AM |
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Both 100% Real |
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PhoneGuy
Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Jun 2020 10:42 AM |
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Interesting,
At first glance, I was completely with you Spence – both 100% real. I still think sign No 1 is real.
But, like Jimbo, sign No 2 leaves me with a few questions: (Forgot to say that both signs are exactly the same size – 61 x 15 cm)
- Both signs have slightly rounded corners – but sign No 2 looks almost too rounded
- The mounting holes pattern for sign No 2 is a bit odd as other narrow signs I’ve seen tend to use the 2 top, 2 bottom, 1 left, 1 right, holes pattern
- Sign No 2 is missing the CADBURY BOURNVILLE ENG marking in the lower left
At the end of the day, all the above could be completely irrelevant and as Spence says both are 100% real.
Sign No 1
Sign No 2
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banjo boy
The Tatfather
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| 30 Jun 2020 12:14 PM |
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Look at picture 6 in Ebay listing for sign of the back of sign..looks to be on pig iron and those enamel drips are very thick.. |
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trixon telstar
Guru Tat
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| 30 Jun 2020 12:20 PM |
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Like Spence says , there is no doubt about it . First sign is obviously genuine , if a little "tired" , makes daft money on ebay , so next guy thinks " i've got one of them in nearly mint conditon so what's mine going to be worth ? " So he puts it on and it's in such immaculate condition , it doesn't look "real" . The signs are by different makers ,hence fixing -holes are not the same. Different shades of white too . Be prepared for a four-figure price tag if you fa ncy buying it. If i'm wrong ,then i've wasted 35 years of my life collecting signs! |
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banjo boy
The Tatfather
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| 30 Jun 2020 12:45 PM |
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Spot on Marcus...i reckon it could of been a salemans sample?? No damage to any fixing hole,no rust at all on the back and the rounded corners..Made on purpose not to tear his travel bag or cut hands?? |
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Deegee
Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Jun 2020 12:55 PM |
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As a relative newcomer I've learnt to pay equal - or sometimes greater - attention to the back as to the front of a sign, especially if you're buying 'unseen'. At very least, it often serves to eliminate it. So, if the fakers are getting this good at faking the back I'm gonna have to think again. A bit scary. They do say "if it looks too good etc ..." But in this case I didn't think twice and took it to be the genuine article. Be interesting to compare the front (and back) with another by the same maker (whoever that was) if anyone on here has one. |
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Lummox
The Tatfather
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| 30 Jun 2020 01:50 PM |
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Posted By Jimbo on 30 Jun 2020 09:14 AM
My hunch (and it is only a hunch) is that the second one isn't right. The splashes on the back look too new and why have a yellow when there is no yellow on the front?
and............... Jimbo . Pull some of your early signs off the wall and have a look at the backs. Most of them will have splashes of colour somewhere which are not on the front.
As Trixie says it could go mad !!
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PhoneGuy
Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Jun 2020 03:20 PM |
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Many thanks everyone, I’ve certainly learned quite a bit from this today.
The envisioned price will – as Trixon says, probably go into the stratosphere. Don’t think I have enough fuel for that altitude…
Take care all and may the best man win – or at least the one with the deepest pockets!
Cheers
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Arkwrights
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| 30 Jun 2020 03:58 PM |
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Date: late 1910's, early 20's |
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Lummox
The Tatfather
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| 30 Jun 2020 05:03 PM |
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Well known collector " Bourneville Boy " agrees with you Arkwrights and dates this sign to 1918
cheers lummox |
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trixon telstar
Guru Tat
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| 30 Jun 2020 05:18 PM |
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Is it him who can't spell his name right , or you, Ross ? LOL . ( only teasing !)
Admin you're right Trixie e can't spell |
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Mick G
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| 30 Jun 2020 05:27 PM |
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Both look right to me. I've seen lots of signs with the back number in a completely different colour than the sign itself, its whatever Frit they had extra in the bucket when firing I reckon, maybe from the last batch, just using it up etc.... |
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Jimbo
Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Jun 2020 06:46 PM |
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Posted By Lummox on 30 Jun 2020 01:50 PM
Posted By Jimbo on 30 Jun 2020 09:14 AM
My hunch (and it is only a hunch) is that the second one isn't right. The splashes on the back look too new and why have a yellow when there is no yellow on the front?
and............... Jimbo . Pull some of your early signs off the wall and have a look at the backs. Most of them will have splashes of colour somewhere which are not on the front.
As Trixie says it could go mad !!
lummox
True! I have learned something new |
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