Could this english shop sign be real?
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23 Dec 2021 04:21 AM  

I recently purchased this at an estate sell. Its hand painted and shows a lot of age. Might be some type of fantasy or tourist piece but google does give me some hits of a Churcher and Christie shop existing back then...  The date on it says 1754.. could mean in business since 1754 not necessarily the date of the sign.

 

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23 Dec 2021 10:21 AM  

 Hi , Longbow .  Yes It means the company was founded in 1754 , as the sign is definitely not 270 years old .  It looks to be a modern , purely decorative piece .

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23 Dec 2021 03:54 PM  

Well at first glance it might.. but I deal US signs a lot and see many of our reproductions and fantasy pieces and it does not look anything like them.

Here is the back. It appears hand hammered/ hand made. Has real patina and somebody would have to dig very deep in old records to bring this companys name up. Is this common practice in the UK to make such fantasy signs?

If it was a US sign I would be dating it at least late 1800's to early 1900's compared to old trade signs I have seen here.

 

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23 Dec 2021 04:55 PM  
I agree that its a modern repro..sorry

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23 Dec 2021 06:29 PM  
Thanks. The details of how you come to your opinions are welcomed.

Here is the book that mentions "Churcher & Christie"

https://books.google.com/books?id=AdIdCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT163&lpg=PT163&dq=%22churcher+%26+christie%22&source=bl&ots=TRsCJAsejN&sig=ACfU3U1nBGUKaH5UMXZKX-LLTTckT-K8iQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiEwOTPxfr0AhWYZM0KHa7RDlAQ6AF6BAgDEAI#v=onepage&q=%22churcher%20%26%20christie%22&f=false

Anyways I dont have much invested in it. Less than the decorative value.. so no big deal.
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23 Dec 2021 09:59 PM  
Just the hanger I think gives it away. Looks large as if made for a chain, so with how thin it looks, whats going to stop it from flapping in the wind ?
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24 Dec 2021 01:57 PM  
about 40 years of collecting antique signs is the only answer I can give ...sorry
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24 Dec 2021 04:45 PM  
Late 1800's would be puddled iron anyways, would it not?
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25 Dec 2021 03:52 PM  
Posted By Mick G on 24 Dec 2021 04:45 PM
Late 1800's would be puddled iron anyways, would it not?


I dont know.. I dont think so. But I am no metal expert. The only thing I currently have in my collection from that period to compare is a advertising charger and its much more refined and seems machine made. Dates from 1891-1902.

 

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26 Dec 2021 10:30 AM  

Ah, the old US Red raven beer sign, not one of my favourites, always struggled to understand the composition ? much prefer this one

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26 Dec 2021 12:22 PM  
That’s so weird - the woman hugging the cartoon raven. I like it.
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26 Dec 2021 05:49 PM  
Red raven splitz is a hangover cure that was sold in bars. I think the woman is happy because it cures her or her "mans" hangover.
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