banjo boy
The Tatfather
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| 04 Jan 2018 01:01 PM |
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Sorry Mick cant paste link but heres the S.P on it...Auction24th of November 2012..£300 start,£480 end.. |
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Mad Keen Collector
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| 29 Apr 2022 09:30 PM |
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Posted By banjo boy on 29 Dec 2017 05:29 PM
Makers mark just about visible
Hi Banjo,very interested to find this old thread as I have a circular version (not a cut out) with the mark "Imperial Co Birmingham" I assume that to be the Imperial Enamel Co Ltd not the Imperial Tobbacco Co Ltd?. Please can you help whith the makers name on this auction example
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Mick G
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| 30 Apr 2022 01:14 AM |
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Hey Hoarder,
I don't know if the two companies were related, but there was a company called Imperial Enamel Co LTD, New York, that was in business from 1890 to 1910. One could suspect that they might have been a sister company of the British one? Just a thought.
Here is the one sign I have from them, I always liked it. Cheers
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Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Apr 2022 08:10 AM |
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Nice sign Mick, thanks for the info but how can it be New York USA when it also states "Made in England"? |
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Hoarder
Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Apr 2022 08:38 AM |
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Just an after thought could it be that the New York set up was just as agents (offices)? thus not actually making the signs. I dont know when the UK Co was formed but found this advert dated 1896. Seems like they were dissolved in the 1950s.
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trixon telstar
Guru Tat
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| 30 Apr 2022 10:31 AM |
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Your assumption is correct , Hoarder . New York office for a company that was based in Birmingham with a London Agency also . (Willing & Co ) |
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Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Apr 2022 11:31 AM |
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Ah thanks Trixion, can you add any further information on Imperial Enamel? scant on the WWW. |
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Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Apr 2022 01:01 PM |
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OK back to the Hero, what was the makers mark mentioned by Banjo? |
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Mad Keen Collector
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| 30 Apr 2022 10:40 PM |
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As you can see quite a bit of restoration.
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batleycarr1
Tat Addict
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| 01 May 2022 11:40 AM |
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...........but still very nice and very rare - I have one of these with no resto, unfortunately I have never been able to post on here so can't show it but would be happy to send pic to someone who can. I have seen drawings showing these on the stairwell of early buses. |
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Mad Keen Collector
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| 01 May 2022 12:10 PM |
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Thank you Batley, would love to see your Hero sign, please send to gwilkins48@yahoo.co.uk I never seen another example. |
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Mad Keen Collector
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| 01 May 2022 07:10 PM |
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Thanks to BatleyCarr1 for sharing his example, only 2 known examples of the Players Hero Enamel Roundel Sign? |
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Mad Keen Collector
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| 01 May 2022 07:15 PM |
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Closeup. |
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Mad Keen Collector
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| 01 May 2022 09:25 PM |
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Agree circa 1890.
The Players Sailors ship is referrred to in his cap ribbon. She was HMS Hero, a iron clad cruiser launched in 1885 shown to the right of the sailor. The other ship to the left is the HMS Britannia launched 1820 , thus depicting the old and the new.
https://www.commsmuseum.co.uk/dykes/johnplayer/johnplayer.htm |
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Relics
Guru Tat
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| 01 May 2022 11:18 PM |
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I'm no expert , but I reckon this sign may never have had any reds . Possible fading to the grey / yellow but overall looks to me that it is not far off the original shadings . |
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